Changing the working format of the UN Security Council is an issue that depends on consensus among its five permanent members, said the press secretary of the Russian president. Dmitry Peskovcommenting on the attack Recep Tayyip Erdogan against the current global security architecture, of which Russia is the cornerstone.
In turn Sergey Lavrov agreed with Erdogan’s thesis that the five permanent members of the Security Council have no right to dictate the fate of the world. But these powers do not pretend to dictate, limiting themselves to the powers prescribed in the UN Charter. The Russian minister recalled that a seat in the Security Council obliges people to be held accountable for peace, for the absence of global conflicts.
At the same time, he stated the need to adapt the UN and the Security Council to the new realities. Developing countries “absolutely rightly” insist on increasing their representation. It is necessary to shift the current distortion of the balance of votes in favor of the West, towards the developing countries of Asia, Africa and Latin America.
On the side of Lavrov (and Russia), at least arithmetic. There are no longer 50 countries in the world, as it was during the creation of the UN, and not 70, as was the case with the expansion of the Security Council from 12 to 15 members, but much more – 193, the head of our Foreign Ministry recalled. It is reasonable that new UN member states should not be overlooked.
The cold numbers are far more convincing than the fervent emotions of the Turkish leader, who disparagingly called the winners of World War II “a handful of countries.” The United States, Russia rising from its knees, the new superpower China, Britain and France behind which the old Europe clearly outweigh the losers Germany and Japan, albeit together with Turkey.
The passion for rebuilding the world order is explained, rather, by the character, personal ambitions of Erdogan. However, his verbal political attacks will only be tolerated up to a certain point. Moscow, which in recent years has built multifaceted economic and military-political relations with Turkey, can continue to develop them with the new leader of this country.
“We have enough patience to wait for this government to leave” – this is the title of an interview with the incumbent mayor of Istanbul Ekrem Imamoglu, published the other day in Kommersant. This post was once held by Erdogan. “We [Россия и Турция] We will not lose anything from the change of presidents, perhaps even new opportunities will open up, ”said Imamoglu, who dreams of visiting Moscow.
Senior Researcher, IMEMO RAS, Associate Professor of the Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Vladimir Avatkov notes the usefulness of Russia’s contacts with the Turkish opposition.
– Erdogan’s idea that “the world is more than five” is not new. The only thing that has changed: Erdogan spoke out quite harshly about the results of the Second World War. At the same time, Russia has repeatedly stressed its adherence to the idea of a polycentric world order, which a priori implies that the world is more than five. We do not argue with this. It is the West that imposes its own logic and demands that everyone else follow it. So the questions should be asked to the West.
Erdogan’s mistake is that he proceeds from the fact that Muslim countries are not represented in the UN Security Council. It comes from ethnicity, from religiosity. But Russia is both a great Christian and a great Muslim, great Slavic and great Turkic civilization. So Erdogan is wrong here. Moreover, Russia does not dispute the need to expand the UN Security Council at the expense of Asian and African countries.
The fate of the world, which Erdogan also spoke about, is not decided by the UN Security Council. He has other tasks. It was eloquence directed at the countries of Asia and Africa, those very humiliated and insulted. That is why this announcement was made in Africa.
“SP”: – At the same time, he actually wrote Turkey into one group with Germany and Japan, who fought on the side of Nazism. Isn’t it silly?
– This is an attempt to play on two fronts, as Erdogan always does. On the one hand, he showed that he is independent in the system of international relations, which corresponds to the view of Moscow, and on the other hand, he showed the West that he is undermining the interests of Russia. In this situation, our Foreign Minister took a very constructive position, noting the great dominance of the West in the Security Council. And therefore it is necessary to increase the representation of the East. Emphasis on the positive, not the negative.
Russia has repeatedly offered the permanent members of the Security Council to meet and discuss the fate of the UN, but then a pandemic broke out. Erdogan’s speech may prompt discussion of this issue.
“SP”: – On Erdogan, the light did not converge like a wedge. In Turkey, he has an opposition …
– Russia has worked and is working there primarily with the central government. But this does not mean that we do not take into account the existing alignment of forces and do not interact with the opposition. There are contacts at the level of our diplomatic missions in Turkey, and at the level of the State Duma there is inter-party interaction. This should be encouraged. Undoubtedly, the role of leaders is very important, but the interaction of civil society institutions is also necessary for relations to be stable, regardless of possible political transformations.
In this sense, the speech of the mayor of Istanbul, a representative of the opposition party in the Russian media, suggests that the opposition in Turkey is also ready for a dialogue with Russia. And it is very important to notice, accept and take this into account in our contacts with Turkey. Because when Erdogan arrives in Russia, he often travels to some Kazan, where he has been several times, and works with our regions. And we, too, should not hesitate to act actively in relation to the political subjects of Turkey. The main thing is to understand what will happen tomorrow.
According to Expert of the Center for Military-Political Studies of MGIMO, Doctor of Political Science Mikhail AlexandrovNobody will allow Turkey to destroy the UN architecture.
– Erdogan’s ambitions are understandable – he claims to be a leading role. I think it should be put in place. It’s open to say that his country was in fact an ally of Nazi Germany during World War II, draining our resources in the Caucasus, which is why we lost a lot of people. At the same time, the permanent members of the UN Security Council are the countries that ensured the victory over Nazism and created the modern world order. No other states have such merits and therefore they have nothing to rock the boat with.
“SP”: – Apparently, there is full consensus on this issue among the permanent members of the UN, despite opposition on many other issues?
– The Great Powers Club is objective. It can’t be too big. It is clear that small countries have their own opinion, but they have no resources, no influence. What’s the use that they will be permanent members of the Security Council? Anyway, no one will reckon with them if it comes to a serious showdown. We must look at things realistically. Erdogan claims to be the leader among medium and small states. He should be regularly reminded of the historical role of Turkey, otherwise he, for example, does not recognize the Russian Crimea.
Erdogan is the spokesman for the interests of the Turkish stratum, which has taken the tracks of neo-Ottomanism. The European Union was closed to him. Erdogan sees that the world is now disintegrating into zones of influence, and he remains out of work. And he wants not only to join some EAEU as a secondary player, but to become the leader of his regional zone. But here his hands are short. On the one hand, Iran, on the other, Russia, even in Syria does not come out, and then Israel, supported by the United States. He climbed into North Africa, but there he has a conflict with Egypt. It turns out badly, but the desire is there, so he twitches.
In general, the world order is established by the results of a great war. The only one
a unique case in history – when Gorbachev surrendered our positions. But I don’t think this will happen again. Therefore, it will not be possible to seriously change the current rules without war.